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The core pricing dilemma at hand is the tension between two kinds of customers:

The Business Customer

They have a specific problem to solve for 100-1,000 users. They are willing to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to solve it.

The NoCode Entrepreneur

They have a big idea for a new app, and they expect an unlimited number of users – 10,000 to millions. They expect to spend as little as possible until their app takes off and can monetize (99.9% of these kind of apps fail to take off).

Optimal pricing for the first group prohibits the second group; optimal pricing for the second group captures no value from the first group. In fact, I would say a great business cannot be built for the second type because of the high failure rate, low willingness to pay, and in the success case, the platform is just reselling cloud resources on very small margins.

The billion software developers that we want to create is a reference to the billion spreadsheet users that exist today, not a billion entrepreneurs building marketplaces or subscription content apps. This is a third customer type–not a business, not an entrepreneur–these are empowered individuals solving real problems with Glide, and most of them can use our Free tier!

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I think there is a different kind of customer too, the one that wants to make something valuable for its niche community of family, friends, club members, etcetera. So not with money (making money / reducing costs) in mind. With the billion in mind, I hope they won’t be forgotten! The free version might be cool for them. And of course I do understand you need to make money.

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Hi David,

Does it mean 5,000 different public users or 5.000 registers (rows) to count the public users logged into App ?

Gracias

It is 5,000 users–I am not talking about rows, I am talking about people using your app.

Hi David,

I fall into the category of customers that @erwblo is referring to. This is not a speculative app (as you say), but is content meant for a particular group of users – who will not be paying.

The problem is not the pricepoint, per se, but, yes, I did think I could make a content-sharing app at a reasonable price that could then enrich the lives of others. My main shock was, ā€œwhen my user level hits that point, I need to a) come up with thousands of dollars per year or b) rewrite the app in something else (which will cost me thousands in labor.ā€

Understand that with this type of app (and I’ve seen it even on the beta end – I’m only 5 months into development – you have users who sign up, use it for a few weeks and then drop off. But Glide gives us no way to track user activity. No ā€œlast loginā€ date, etc. In fact, one of the things I’ve had to try to program into my app is an activity date, and update that date when they (the user) do anything. In that way I was hoping to be able to purge inactive users from time-to-time. That actually took up a big part of the development.

I’m not looking to get something for nothing, but there are tools out there that advertise on their first page, ā€œno user limitā€. The app I’m developing is for a group of people that currently has 30K+ members. No, they won’t all download the app. My guess is perhaps 20% will download it, and only 10% will be regular users. But again, how to handle inactive users…

I guess what you’re telling me is I’m not big enough for Glide to care about, so I should look elsewhere?

So, 3k monthly users fits into our $99/mo plan. If this is too expensive for you, then yes, according to our new pricing, Glide is not for you. Is that the case? What do you expect to pay?

Do all users need to sign in? If not, visitors are free and unlimited on all plans.

To get value from this particular app they need to be signed in.

Again, the point is not the 3K – that is not too expensive. What is the unknown is then at what point do I need to re-write the app if I cannot take care of the inactive signed-in user issue? I don’t want to have to go up a tier every time my total user count exceeds (x), because by that point, many of those users may be inactive. Do you see the issue?

We only count active users, so, no, I don’t see the issue. Inactive users don’t count.

If you need more than 5k active users per month, you can upgrade to Business.

What is an ā€œactive userā€, then? Is it a user in my user table or someone actively logged in?

One active user is a person who actually signs into your app in a given month. I am talking about people using your app, not rows in your user table. If you have 10k users in your users table, and only 1k people sign in, you have 1k users that month.

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Thank you for that clarification. That helps tremendously. I have been waiting for the new pricing guidelines for a while to determine steps forward. Your answer means I don’t need to worry about tracking user activity myself (well, except to be able to handle row purging for inactive users’ data)

Needs clarification like this will help a lot.kudos to @david and kudos to @David_Gabler for raising these type os questions.

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Do you think these explanations make sense? How can we improve them?

Public Users

Private Users

I would only add the sentence, ā€œIf a user does not log in during a month, they do not count towards the user count for that month.ā€

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From what I could gather from very early on, their main focus is enterprises that are looking for a productivity tool.

There were even templates to make your own Instagram clone though.

But then again, a company is of course free in changing direction / target audience.

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There’s nothing to sell to someone who merely copies an Instagram app! That is not a customer, and we have a Free tier for them.

Here is our original pitch from winter 2019, where we explain that the business opportunity for Glide is demonstrated by enterprises spending $7.1B on internal apps in 2021. We have not changed direction, but I admit it’s confusing that our product is meant for everyone, but we do not view everyone as our paying customer.

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But then there’s this.

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My app uses Row Owners. That’s not the same as roles re: counting as Private Users, correct?

Row Owners and Roles are separate features, yes.

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I love that Glide CEO ( David ) is online and answering these questions faster! :heart:

That’s cool!

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I am sure that was to showcase the versatility of the tool. I believe with this pricing model, there is something for everyone and I can actually feel comfortable because somehow Glide’s business model kinda makes sense and for me that tells me that they will be sustainable and will be around for sometime in the foreseeable future.